F*ck. Why do I have to post yet another Sam V. article?

**Sigh.**

Because I’m an obsessive Aspie nutcase.

No, actually…because it’s about Narcissism and Aspergers and why these two disorders sometimes get confused, even by professionals, even though they’re not really anything alike. It’s because Aspies cannot SHOW emotion or empathy appropriately, not because they don’t FEEL it.

I’m compelled to post anything I see that talks about both these disorders since these are the two I have the most interest in, for obvious reasons.

http://www.narcissistic-abuse.com/journal72.html

Misdiagnosing Narcissism: Asperger’s Disorder

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Asperger’s Disorder is often misdiagnosed as Narcissistic Personality Disorder (NPD), though evident as early as age 3 (while pathological narcissism cannot be safely diagnosed prior to early adolescence).

In both cases, the patient is self-centered and engrossed in a narrow range of interests and activities. Social and occupational interactions are severely hampered and conversational skills (the give and take of verbal intercourse) are primitive. The Asperger’s patient body language – eye to eye gaze, body posture, facial expressions – is constricted and artificial, akin to the narcissist’s. Nonverbal cues are virtually absent and their interpretation in others lacking.

Yet, the gulf between Asperger’s and pathological narcissism is vast.

The narcissist switches between social agility and social impairment voluntarily. His social dysfunctioning is the outcome of conscious haughtiness and the reluctance to invest scarce mental energy in cultivating relationships with inferior and unworthy others. When confronted with potential Sources of Narcissistic Supply, however, the narcissist easily regains his social skills, his charm, and his gregariousness.

Many narcissists reach the highest rungs of their community, church, firm, or voluntary organization. Most of the time, they function flawlessly – though the inevitable blowups and the grating extortion of Narcissistic Supply usually put an end to the narcissist’s career and social liaisons.

The Asperger’s patient often wants to be accepted socially, to have friends, to marry, to be sexually active, and to sire offspring. He just doesn’t have a clue how to go about it. His affect is limited. His initiative – for instance, to share his experiences with nearest and dearest or to engage in foreplay – is thwarted. His ability to divulge his emotions stilted. He is incapable or reciprocating and is largely unaware of the wishes, needs, and feelings of his interlocutors or counterparties.

Inevitably, Asperger’s patients are perceived by others to be cold, eccentric, insensitive, indifferent, repulsive, exploitative or emotionally-absent. To avoid the pain of rejection, they confine themselves to solitary activities – but, unlike the schizoid, not by choice. They limit their world to a single topic, hobby, or person and dive in with the greatest, all-consuming intensity, excluding all other matters and everyone else.. It is a form of hurt-control and pain regulation. [This describes me so much it’s creepy]

Thus, while the narcissist avoids pain by excluding, devaluing, and discarding others – the Asperger’s patient achieves the same result by withdrawing and by passionately incorporating in his universe only one or two people and one or two subjects of interest. Both narcissists and Asperger’s patients are prone to react with depression to perceived slights and injuries – but Asperger’s patients are far more at risk of self-harm and suicide.

The use of language is another differentiating factor.

The narcissist is a skilled communicator. He uses language as an instrument to obtain Narcissistic Supply or as a weapon to obliterate his “enemies” and discarded sources with. Cerebral narcissists derive Narcissistic Supply from the consummate use they make of their innate verbosity.

Not so the Asperger’s patient. He is equally verbose at times (and taciturn on other occasions) but his topics are few and, thus, tediously repetitive. He is unlikely to obey conversational rules and etiquette (for instance, to let others speak in turn). Nor is the Asperger’s patient able to decipher nonverbal cues and gestures or to monitor his own misbehavior on such occasions. Narcissists are similarly inconsiderate – but only towards those who cannot possibly serve as Sources of Narcissistic Supply.

As usual, he’s right on the money about this. His description of the Aspergers patient is me in a nutshell. I highlighted the relevant parts. Most of these Aspie behaviors are also seen in Narcissists, but for very different, almost opposite reasons.

Dammit, Sam.
*sigh*

13 thoughts on “F*ck. Why do I have to post yet another Sam V. article?

  1. Thanks for posting this. I’ve been questioning myself on this topic, Asperger’s not NPD, lol, and according to this description, it doesn’t fit for me. Not that I don’t have some of the traits you’ve written about before, but seeing it all here in one essay, I can say the pieces don’t fit.

    Again thank you.

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    • Don’t thank me, those aren’t my words. But I think it’s the best description of Aspergers I ever saw. How can a narcissist nail that better than any professional in the field. I have no earthly idea.

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      • In order to successfully engage in predation, one must be able to ‘discern the thoughts, intents, and feelings of another’. Narcissists, like most other Normies, have this capacity.

        S. seems to have an abundance of it – but, like most predators (in general) I’m not sure if he bothered to discern WHY autists are seen as they are. (Perhaps it was so *obvious* to him that he felt it unnecessary to comment upon it? Perhaps his understanding of *autists* resembles my comprehension of ***preds***? As in most of what I know about social predators is either something I’ve read, something I’ve ‘felt’ when interacting with such people – I’ve no better words for that strange knowing I get all-too-often – or, something ‘revealed’ – which I understand even-less-well than those odd feelings I get on a near-daily basis.)

        The portion I *do* know is that MUCH of what he wrote regarding how autists are perceived by Normdom (of which NPDer’s are most definitely a portion of!) is that most of it is a matter of projection; and the sole recourse for autists to NOT be perceived as ‘the manifested evil in nature’ / ‘cold, eccentric, etc.’ is to do a truly *extraordinary* species of mind-reading followed by pure unabashed *worship* – as in ‘treat your Normies as if they had NPD, and provide them with unlimited Supply’, much as if you were mired in ancient Greece and attempting to entreat Apollo / Athena so as to not be squished like an offending INSECT.

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    • He tends to have that effect on people. Read his timeline on Facebook if you doubt me (the comments from his hangers on). He’s like a f**king rock star.

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  2. There is one pat S. Vacknin missed (that I’m aware of; there may be others).

    The unpleasant portion of large portions of Normdom seeing autists as ‘the instantiation of Otherness’

    The personality-disordered individual – like his more-common more-normal brethren – does not register (in the unconscious) as Other. (The reverse is actually more likely, which V. indicates but does not explain why – that being that such people are ‘more human than human’, and therefore ***deserve*** to be ‘priests, kings, and gods…)

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