Are narcissists ever abuse victims?

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Here I’m not going to talk about the popular theory that most narcissists were probably neglected or abused as children. In this article, I’m focusing on the question of whether someone who is already a narcissist can become a victim of narcissistic abuse.

Yes, they can–and more often than you might think.

Of course, not all narcissists are abuse victims, and the more malignant they are, the more likely they are to cause suffering rather than suffer themselves. Psychopaths and malignant narcissists wield Svengali-like power over their subjects and are often found in the highest echelons of business, politics, religious organizations, and other positions of great power and influence. They do not allow themselves to be in a position of subservience to someone else, and take great pride in the fact most people fear them. In fact, they would much rather be feared than liked. The smartest ones are cunning enough to be invulnerable to a total loss of narcissistic supply, which would send them crashing into a deep depression (and opens a window to healing, as I’ve discussed in previous posts). They know how to get others to trust them, which is part of their charm and one of the ways they climb to the top and stay there.

But other narcissists (not “benign” narcissists, because they do have a conscience and even some empathy)–those who still have NPD but are not as high on the spectrum as a malignant psychopath, can and do become victims to “stronger” narcissists.

An unholy alliance.
These relationships actually work in their twisted, sick kind of way, with the weaker narcissist falling under the thrall of the stronger, malignant narcissist. Because they are both still narcissists and the weaker one basically identifies with their abuser (known as Stockholm Syndrome, which is also a defense mechanism seen in victimized people with PTSD), they form a symbiotic relationship, with the weaker person willingly taking on a masochistic role and the stronger one the sadistic role. Their sexual relationship may indeed include elements of S&M, but the sadomasochistic relationship isn’t limited to just sex.

The stronger narcissist will treat the weaker one badly and abusively, but because the weaker partner identifies with their abuser, they actually “enjoy” the abuse they get. It validates them and gives them the narcissistic supply they need (and way deep inside, maybe they feel like they deserve punishment).

Unlike normal people, a narcissist prefers negative attention over no attention, and their abuser is seen as their savior–the one person in the world who can give them the attention they so crave. M. Scott Peck, in his book “People of the Lie,” described such a relationship. Harley was a weak man in thrall to his evil, mean wife Sarah, who constantly berated and belittled him and ordered him around, while Harley just whined pitifully about how badly Sarah treated him but seemed to do nothing about it or have any real desire to stop her abuse. He had no intention of leaving her. He told Dr. Peck he “needed” Sarah. Of course he did–Sarah was his sole source of narcissistic supply (because she had made sure he was cut off from anyone else). Dr. Peck speculated that Harley, although complaining incessantly about his wife’s abuse, actually seemed to want it, and he wondered if he might have been a little “evil” himself, which was what might have attracted him to someone like Sarah in the first place.

I see this same situation in my father, who has always been codependent on MN women, and allows these women to make all his decisions for him. He has always been weaker and more codependent than the domineering, controlling women he married.

Needy narcissists.
A friend of mine, a survivor of narcissistic abuse who also has a blog, tells the story of an aunt of hers, living in abject poverty, who was scapegoated and belittled by every other family member, most of them highly malignant narcissists. She was tolerated at family events but outside of that, no one would have anything to do with her. You feel sorry for this impoverished, lonely, maltreated aunt–until you keep reading and find out that she is a malignant narcissist herself–of the “needy” variety.

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Most people think of narcissists as cagey, cunning, selfish sociopaths who get everything they want by ruthlessly stomping all over others to reach the pinnacles of financial and professional success, even if that involves a life of crime. But there are many narcissists who are not successful, and in fact are dirt poor. These are what I call “needy narcissists”–people who mooch off of others, using others’ goodwill and generosity without ever giving anything back in return. They whine to anyone who will listen about how their sorry circumstances are everyone’s fault but their own. They demand pity and constant attention. They act entitled. They cry and try to elicit your guilt. They might steal from you. They’ll start a smear campaign against you if you don’t give in to their demands. Sometimes they find ways to get government assistance–such as disability–by faking or exaggerating a disorder so they don’t have to take responsibility for themselves.

They are financial and emotional vampires, feeding off others’ altruism until their providers are sucked dry emotionally, spiritually, mentally and sometimes financially. My ex-husband falls into this category. These narcissists are only less dangerous because they lack power and money, but make no mistake: they are just as dangerous on a personal level as materially “successful” narcissists, and they play all the same evil mindgames to get their way. They take pride in how pathetic they are rather than in what a perfect specimen of beauty, intelligence, success, or charm they are. They still think they’re entitled to be treated as if they’re gods.

“Covert” and “inverted” narcissism isn’t narcissism at all.
There is also something I’ve read about called “covert narcissism” or “inverted narcissism,” which actually has been used to describe people with low self esteem, avoidant traits, hypervigilance, and high sensitivity. Which means that according to that definition, I am a narcissist.

I don’t buy it though, because people with these traits are usually very empathic and if anything, their conscience is too well developed for their own good. They not only worry they won’t be liked, they worry that they may have hurt someone or have done something wrong. They struggle with guilt and shame. They may self-sabotage, but they never set out to hurt other people, and when they do they feel terrible. Real narcissists may be hypersensitive (about themselves) and paranoid, but they never worry about hurting others; at best they just don’t care.

Of course an “inverted” or “covert” narcissist is likely to be abused, because they fit all the traits of someone likely to be bullied and victimized. They are us!

The weak narcissist in thrall to an MN is not an “inverted” narcissist–they are true blue narcissists who just lack the cunning, intelligence, charm or Svengali-like traits their abuser possesses. Or they’re just not as evil as the MN. Within the relationship, they are just abuse victims, but outside of it, they treat others as badly as any other narcissist. Just because they’re abuse victims doesn’t mean they’re nice people. (It doesn’t mean they don’t deserve help either). Obviously, the best thing for a narcissist in an abusive relationship to do would be to go No Contact, but due to their craving of (negative) narcissistic supply, they are not likely to ever leave the relationship.

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Can a malignant narcissist become an abuse victim?
Other than in childhood (before they became narcissists), I would say no. Because two high-spectrum, completely malignant narcissists are likely to hate each other. One MN won’t give up their power to the other and sees another MN as a huge threat.

Think of two predatory animals like wildcats, encountering each other in a forest. Both are alpha males of their own group so neither is a weak animal. Would these two cats become allies? No. They will fix their gaze at each other, never taking their eyes away, and slowly start to circle around each other, sizing up the other animal. At some point, one of the cats will launch a surprise attack, or one will flee before that happens.

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In a similar manner, two predatory humans in the same room will be very cautious around each other, sizing each other up, but will almost always intensely dislike each other. They may fight, or they may never speak to each other, but they will not become friends. They are of no use to each other whatsoever. A malignant narcissist will always choose a weaker victim he can use and manipulate, and sometimes that victim will be another narcissist who identifies with their abuser but is no match for them.

About luckyotter

This blog is my journal. I just choose to share it with the world instead of keeping everything inside my head. I'm a recovering Borderline and have also struggled with Avoidant Personality Disorder. I also have Complex PTSD due to having been the victim of narcissistic abuse for most of my life. I write mostly about narcissism, because I was the child of a narcissistic mother, and then married to a sociopathic malignant narcissist for 20 years. But there's a silver lining too. In some ways they taught me about myself. This blog is about all that. Not all my articles will be about NPD, BPD or other personality disorders or mental conditions. I pretty much write about whatever's on my mind at the moment. So there's something for everyone here. Blogging about stuff is crack for my soul. It's self therapy, and hopefully my insights and observations may help others too.
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31 Responses to Are narcissists ever abuse victims?

  1. The real me says:

    Just a quick point on D/s relationships that you mentioned. It is actually quite often the case that the more dominant partner in their ‘public or work/ non sexual life’ is in fact the submissive within the relationship. It happens this way a lot…..

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    • luckyotter says:

      That’s interesting and it could be true in some cases. Another way of wearing masks meant to deceive.

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      • The real me says:

        It is viewed more in the bdsm world as a relief. Having to be in control and have responsibility for decisions in your, say work life, can be exhausting. To then give it all up to a dominant and be completely submissive is a release of responsibility. It allows a balance and is quite a relief. Imagine having to make every decision and take responsibility. And then suddenly the stress and responsibility of that is gone and somebody else takes control for you. Obviously trust is needed. Once the balance is found it can be very rewarding. I am not sure if it is narcissistic but for many it works well.

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  2. luckyotter says:

    I saw several comments in my comments folder this morning that I could not approve. They went into the trash. I don’t know the whole story behind what is going on between the parties who wrote these comments, and frankly it’s none of my business, but I will not approve any abusive comments on this site toward other commenters, regardless of who is or isn’t at fault. It’s not my job to be the judge and jury. So please keep the arguing off this site, if you must do it, do it through email or some other means. Disagreeing with something pertaining to the article is different matter–I will approve those comments as long as they’re not troll posts or abusive.
    Everyone, please keep interpersonal drama off this site. Thank you.

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  3. The real me says:

    Agreed. I find it very hard to comment here about the topic when everything I do is followed up by a lie about myself. That’s why I messaged you this morning

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  4. Joan S says:

    I find this interesting. Everything I’ve read up till this point told me that MN’s like eachother, will support one another. However, in my FOO this is not the case. My mother hates my brother’s wife, they are both very predatory MN’s. I really don’t know what my brother’s wife feels about mother. They never fought. Mother has been NC with them, never even seeing the grandchildren because of it. Mother calls her evil.abusive but practices the same tactics.

    But mother liked an ex MN friend of mine. This friend was never sadistic around mother, but mother did notice this woman’s ability to have her own way all the time. So she was ok? Its interesting. But confusing.

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    • Joan S says:

      Oh, I want to mention here, that when my mother saw the movie, “Misery”, with Kathy Bates, (hope your familiar with the movie) she said that that man was ungrateful for not appreciating what that woman was doing for him. She was feeding and taking care of him, never mentioned how she was tormenting him too.

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      • luckyotter says:

        Your mom couldn’t SEE that awful woman in “Misery” was a psychopath? I felt sorry for the poor man in that movie. But maybe a narc can’t recognize another narc in a movie. It’s a good question for a future post maybe.

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        • Joan S says:

          Mother thought that all he had to do was get along and stop pissing her off. That’s why she did what she did to him. Um, kinda makes me glad I’m NC. My gosh, lol maybe I just barely survived.

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          • luckyotter says:

            Jeebus, what planet was your mom living on? Yeah, you are better off being NC with her if she thought the villain was a poor misunderstood hero and the real victim a selfish narcissist.

            I remember something similar when my mother read “Bonfire of the Vanities.” She felt like the narcissistic protagonist was treated terribly by others and couldn’t understand he was just getting what he deserved. she felt sooooo sorry for him. Boo hoo.

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    • luckyotter says:

      My mother hates my ex, both are MNs. I don’t know too many MN’s who like each other. If they act like they do, it’s probably because they have recruited another MN as a flying monkey. MN’s don’t like anyone, not even themselves, even though they act like they are the second coming. They are filled with hate. It’s so sad.

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  5. safirefalcon says:

    This is quite a twist on things isn’t it? I hadn’t thought about it before this so I’ve got another perspective.

    I’ve been meaning to mention to you that in my Reader when I see your post notification the title of your blog isn’t there. Instead next to your avatar it looks like this: [No Title] Just fyi.

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    • luckyotter says:

      Yeah, I know about that problem. It’s because i opted to put the title of my blog within the graphic, so in order to avoid being redundant and repeating the blog’s name twice, I had to leave the title blank when I was customizing. I don’t know how to get rid of that problem unfortunately. It’s very annoying.

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      • luckyotter says:

        I have an idea…I will post something else in the “title” section that really isn’t a title but a sort of teaser maybe?

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      • safirefalcon says:

        Oh I see. Good to know also when I’m ready to put mine back up. I like the title inside the banner/graphic too. Sigh…

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        • luckyotter says:

          I wish WP gave us an option for that. I had to put mine together myself on Photobucket and then post it all as a graphic. I’m not sure I like the way the “teaser” looks but whatever.

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          • safirefalcon says:

            Yeah I use Microsoft Picture It for putting text in my pics. I tend to get frustrated with online software and picture storing sites. lol.

            The teaser is pretty cool though. Gives hope and promise. And you can always change it.

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            • luckyotter says:

              I’m trying to think of somethng shorter. I plan to get my own domain shortly (but am a little scared of switching over to wordpress.org because I worry about everything somehow getting lost) when I have the money for that, and I think there are more options with that, plus the name of the blog would be in the URL itself instead of my email handle.

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            • safirefalcon says:

              I don’t blame you for being nervous about transferring or importing or whatever it’s called. Do you have back ups of your posts on your hard drive? That would help with the peace of mind so it wouldn’t be lost if something happened.

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  6. luckyotter says:

    Ugh now it looks like that’s the actual title of my blog. 😦 well, I guess it stays. It’s better than “No Title” lol

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  7. The real me says:

    Safirefalcon when I click to visit your blog it says i am unable to view it. Is there a way I can do this with my blog please?

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  8. My parents were two-co narcs married to one another. My mother was definitely the stronger Narc. My father was led by the nose by her and he never questioned her ever. This made her power and control greater. Even as he raged, she often directed those. I had to pay attention to the coverts and lesser narcs, in a sick narcissistic family system they are there too. The malignants get all the press but there’s many fellow narcissists propping them and their evil up. I’m the blogger with the impoverished aunt who was a narc too. This revelation shocked me and was quite recent. I thought to myself how selfish she was and about how everything was ME, ME, ME. She had lived in the same town her entire life, and didn’t have one friend. She was cold and had no emotions too. I also realized even though she was more down and out then me, the narcs paid far more attention to her and I asked myself why? For years I thought, “She is so weak, but the reality is she was one of them too”. I am going to write more about this.

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    • luckyotter says:

      I have to say, I love reading about the saga of your Aunt Scapegoat. Maybe “love” isn’t the right word to use but the way you write about her makes her fascinating. You should probably write novels–you characterize people in your life so well.

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  9. Kevin Taylor says:

    Lucky ~ It’s Kevin. You know me. If anybody tried to abuse me (or anyone I like) they’d get their face carved off! And I carry the means to do it! In that sense, I am a wolf in sheep’s clothing. A brave little soldier. I’m known for it! Look up Boris Johnson. Our next Prime Minister. He’s made of china as well!

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