I check my WP Reader almost every day, and always find fascinating viewpoints there. Of course, I don’t agree with all of them, but my mind is always opened and that’s a good thing.
I’ve been doing a lot of thinking about the nature of God lately, and living in a Bible Belt state, I think a lot about who Jesus really was and where a belief in the Bible and God fits into my life. I happened across a couple of excellent and well written blogs about atheism here on WordPress, and I recommend both of them to Christians and those of other faiths as well as agnostics and atheists. The two websites I’m referring to are Godless Cranium and The Superstitious Naked Ape.
There’s a lot of negative stereotypes about atheists and how arrogant and intolerant they are toward religion, Christianity in particular, but I think this view is erroneous. I’m not denying there may be a few atheists out there who are arrogant and hostile toward the idea of religion, but from my readings, I don’t get that impression. I also want to clear up the idea that atheists “hate God.” How can you hate something you don’t believe exists? It’s like hating Santa Claus or unicorns.
Let me start out by saying I am not an atheist, nor do I believe I’ll ever become one. I believe in God, and I also pray. I also occasionally like to attend church services, mostly because I enjoy the aesthetics of the service and the music, particularly that of a Catholic high mass (I am not Catholic) or the joyful gospel singing of a black Baptist church. I believe there may be angels but I am not sure (or maybe I just want to believe in them). I believe Jesus provides a great example of how we should treat others. I also believe many other men and women throughout history provide examples that are just as beneficial to humanity.
But my faith, for lack of a better word, pretty much stops there. I won’t go into a long detailed account of why I think most of the Bible is bunk (especially the Old Testament), or why I don’t believe Jesus was actually the Son of God (in the divine sense), because plenty can be said about that on both of the named websites and elsewhere, by people who know a lot more about these things than I do.
I don’t believe after we die, we only have two options–Heaven or Hell. People run the gamut from nearly totally evil to very, very good, and I don’t think anyone is 100% one or the other. None of us is perfect of course, but on the other end of the spectrum, even Hitler had a couple of good points: he loved dogs and children (as long as they were blonde, blue eyed white children). To say we will either spend eternity in a place with streets of gold and lots of harps and winged beings OR in a place of fire and eternal torment by demons just seems silly and overly simplistic–why would a God of mercy and love send an average Joe or Jane, who just doesn’t happen to have accepted Jesus as their personal savior, to a place of eternal torment? It’s black or white (and to my mind, very toxic) thinking, with no shades of gray in between, and I can’t accept that way of thinking.
Here’s a laundry list of my problems with the idea of heaven and hell:
— If all that is required to get into Heaven is to accept Jesus as your savior, then a serial killer like Jeffrey Dahmer (who was “saved” before his execution) or another otherwise horrible person who got “saved” (and there are horrible Christians out there) would be accepted into heaven while a very good person of a faith other than Christianity, such as Gandhi or Buddha, would be burning in hell. It just doesn’t make sense, and any God who would allow such a state of affairs is no God I would want anything to do with. That God would be a sadist, a bigot, and a narcissist: basically the God of the Old Testament.
— While there is evidence of fire and brimstone under the earth (easily explained by geologic science), how is it possible that so many souls could fit into such a small space in the center of the earth? If most humans are hellbound, and even if humans have only populated the planet for 6,000 years (which I think is complete bunk), that’s a hell of a lot of souls crammed together (pun intended).
— Why would any God of mercy give Satan so much power? Is Satan God’s hatchetman, the supernatural equivalent of the good cop/bad cop meme or the company hatchetman or woman who does all the “nice” boss’s firing?
— Lots of people have never heard of Jesus Christ. If they’re all going to hell too, that’s a pretty unjust God.
— Are children who have never been baptized or told about Christianity all going to hell? That’s a cruel and sadistic God.
— What about people like me, who have tried and tried to believe in Jesus the way most Christians want us to, even praying for the gift of faith, but just can’t do it? God gave me a brain to think with, and to question things. Before I can believe Jesus Christ died on the cross for my sins and that the only way I can attain salvation is to accept Him, I need some sort of evidence proving this is so. If God didn’t want me to think and question, why would He have given me a brain?
— Most Christians (at least the evangelicals) think animals have no souls and won’t go to heaven. To me, heaven without animals would be hell. When I look into my dog’s or my cats’ eyes, I know there’s a soul there. Nothing can convince me otherwise.
–Any God who would allow the majority of human beings to suffer for all eternity just because their level of faith didn’t satisfy him, is a sadistic, evil, unempathetic narcissist. I can’t and won’t believe in a God like that. I also think threatening people with eternal damnation is a horrible way to get people to convert. If it works, then it’s a tactic based on fear and is very toxic and soul-damaging.
I’m not a Buddhist or any other eastern religion (I have problems with those religions too), but I actually like the idea of reincarnation. It makes more sense to me and takes into account why there’s so much suffering and injustice in the world. A difficult life may be a way of paying off karmic debt and our next life could be much easier if we pay off the debt sufficiently in this life. Or a more advanced soul could have a difficult life, because they’ve attained enough spiritual growth to be able to learn something valuable from their suffering or use it to help others. I don’t know, but it just seems much more like something a loving and merciful God would do than throw his creations into the Good Box or the Bad Box after they die, and that’s it for you for all eternity.
I take issue with any religion that only values what happens to you after you die, and fundamentalist Christianity seems to care much more about the afterlife than enjoying this life.
Christianity, as is all too often the case today, especially in America, has become very much tied up with conservative politics, and is turning off a lot of liberals who may otherwise be attracted to Christianity. I doubt if Jesus was around today, he would worship the free market economy, think helping the poor was “enabling” them, and be intolerant toward LGBT people, atheists, and women.
And that brings me to the evangelical Christian attitude toward women. According to the Bible, it was because of a woman (Eve) that man fell from grace, and because God made man first (with women being created as helpmates), the biblical view is that men have dominion over women and women should submit to their will, even when the man is abusing them. For that matter, the God of the Old Testament acted much like an abusive husband. I’m sorry, but that view is a total turnoff to me, and isn’t doing anything to win more women over to evangelical Christianity.
I know I said I wasn’t going to talk about the Bible here, but there’s something I need to get off my chest. When Christians can’t back up their arguments with reason and evidence (creationism vs. evolution is just one example), they almost always use the “But it’s in the Bible so it must be so” argument. If you try to pin them down as to why the Bible is right, all they can say is “it’s the word of God.” No. It’s the words of men, translated many times and from many different languages. The Bible can and has been interpreted differently by different Christian denominations, and even Christians can’t seem to agree among themselves what the Bible is actually saying in many cases–because it’s full of contradictions (which I won’t get into here because it would take way too long). What makes the Bible so special anyway? It’s a book. Homer’s Odyssey is a book too. Why isn’t Homer’s Odyssey taken as the word of God? For that matter, what makes one religious text right and another one wrong? Christians think Muslims are all going to hell and their Koran is the wrong holy book. Muslims think the same about Christians and the Bible. Mormons think only the Book of Mormon is the correct holy text. What makes one automatically right and the other ones wrong? If any of them were right, wouldn’t God somehow give us some sort of clue as to which text we should all be following?
There’s a lot more things I could say, but then this article would turn into a book, so let me just sum up here with what I personally believe.
I believe God exists, and that he created the universe, but I also very much believe in scientific evidence that the earth is several billion years old and that all life on earth evolved, and was not created in 6 literal days. I think a concept known as “divine intervention” is a possibility–that is, that evolution occurred, but was overseen by God or a higher intelligence and that the evolution of human beings may have been “helped along.” Some evolutionists actually believe this view is a watered down version of creationism, and perhaps it is. I don’t dispute the idea of random evolution, but human intelligence seemed to happen too fast for that to be the case although I could be wrong. Besides, I find the idea of no higher intelligence watching over things a little frightening and to me that would seem to make all our striving and suffering a little pointless. I like to think there is some higher purpose to this life than mere physical reality.
As for the afterlife, I believe some people may go to heaven, but I don’t believe in hell, unless it’s a hell created by our own minds during this life that continues into the afterlife. I actually find the idea of annihilation after death more attractive than one of eternal torment, but I think our souls live on. Perhaps hell exists but only for the truly evil and unrepentant. I think the rest of us–who are too good for hell but not good enough for heaven–probably get reincarnated after a time of contemplating and assimilating the lessons learned in this life. I believe God is merciful and loving, and loves all his children, even those who have no faith he exists, and he would never give an evil entity like Satan (who probably doesn’t exist anyway) dominion over the majority of human souls after they die. As for Jesus, I have a lot of trouble with both the concept of his divinity and the idea of the Trinity. The first seems like a fairy tale and there’s no evidence, and as for the concept of the Trinity, I just can’t wrap my brain around it. Is there one God or three? How can God be three persons in one? Believers take it on faith alone and don’t try to analyze it, but I just can’t do that because of my analytical nature. I need to know the why’s and hows of everything before I embrace it. However, I do think Jesus was an extremely evolved soul who showed us a lot about grace, mercy and love, and I wish more Christians actually tried to follow the example of Jesus Christ in their daily lives instead of only on Sundays.
I have no idea what “religion” my beliefs make me; I suppose it’s bits and pieces of a lot of things that fit in with my worldview. But I’m open to changing my mind about a lot given enough proof.
I like to read blogs and books by atheists, Christians, and everything in between, in an attempt to understand differing viewpoints, and it saddens me that so much hatred, violence and death has occurred in the name of religion. Why does it matter if you worship a different God than I do, or even no God at all? We can all be moral and decent people who bring good to the world and to others, no matter whether we’re Christians, Jews, Buddhists, agnostics, pagans, or atheists. I wish people with different belief systems would act the way this atheist and Christian pastor do in this video, in a civil and respectful manner. These two men have completely opposite beliefs, and yet have become good friends, and I find that very heartwarming and the video is extremely interesting.
I can’t embed the video, but here’s the link:
It is my understanding that few Christians believe hell is actually located inside the earth. Is that incorrect?
I’d have to read up more about it, but it’s a possibility many Christians may think hell is in some other dimension and not part of the earth at all. Around here though, in my part of the bible belt, most Christians I know think it literally is located inside the earth.
Hmm. I thought it was a minority idea but perhaps it depends on geographic location. I’m right outside the Bible Belt.
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What are your views on someone that buys themselves a certificate online to be able to call themselves an ordained minister whilst continuing to be a nasty person?
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I’d say that person is probably a psychopath.
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Just my luck! Lol
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Dear Beware, somewhere i had read that the
helping professions tend to attract narcs. The mental-health industry is a goldmine for some, while running a church (into the ground) provides a great ego-bo for others. Nothing new, the Book of Jude warns Christians about these wolves – and how they slip in & the entire congregation is clueless.
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The one I talk of here brought their religion online in an attempt to save their reputation for their wrong doings. Then used it to try to convince people that her victim was the one doing wrong whilst still taunting and harassing them. There was no attempt to be a good person nor confess their sins. It is simply a mask. Their Facebook posts show a bible quote followed by vile insults. How can others be so stupid not to see the truth?
What else could I possibly add to this, than hope you find your own connection. I don’t subscribe to any religion or ism, but rather a way of life 🙂
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Thanks for your comments. Keep on reading!
You’re welcome and thank you. I follow the Gaudiya Vaisnava way of life, as you may have seen from my blog page. You posts are honest and people like honesty. Well, some 🙂 Wishing you well.
You actually sound like you are agnostic (your are spiritual but do not believe in a recognized religion) as opposed to an atheist.
A lot of your issues, I too feel are valid. I remember once my Dad was getting on my case for my lack of religion (he is Catholic) as the basis for my “bad” decisions in life (I lived with my girlfriend but we were not married).
So I asked him this one simple question: “Why should I believe in a religion where your wife, my mom, will go to hell because she does not believe in Jesus Christ (she is Asian and Buddhist) and is not baptized?”
From that day on, he never talked to me about religion again.
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Ugh I just typed a reply and lost it! Don’t you hate that?
I agree with you that agnostic is as good a label as any, even if it does sound a bit wishy washy LOL. I hate the idea of no higher power or God, and the idea of annihilation after death is distasteful to me (though that’s still preferable to hell), but I’ve failed to find a church or religion I’m comfortable with–with one exception. Back in the 90s, I attended a nondenominational Christian church for awhile (its pastor was technically Methodist though) that was very liberal and very much involved in the arts and music scene in the community. Its services never talked about things like hell or damnation, and its focus on the Bible was minimal (some Christians would take issue with that of course). It also sometimes incorporated other religious practices into its services and curriculum–especially New Age and eastern religious practices, while still maintaining a Christian focus. Sometimes local musicians, singers and dancers would perform during the services. I used to love attending their retreats, which were a lot of fun and very spiritual. Unfortunately the church closed after a few years. I probably would be a good candidate for something like Universalism-Unitarianism, from my understanding that’s pretty similar but I never thought to check out one of their services. I might do that.
I’m sure your comment to your dad about his Asian wife gave him pause, especially if he loved her . It’s ridiculous that she would go to hell just because she’s a Buddhist. Personally I’d rather be in hell with a bunch of Buddhists than in heaven with certain “Christians” I know. Of course there are very good Christians too, but at least here in America, I find Christian dogma a little too Bible-based and hard to take. Liberal Christian churches have been on the decline for decades, and fundamentalism/evangelical Christianity seems to be the norm now, at least here in the south.
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You make some wonderful points and pose some excellent questions. Thank you for the shout out. 🙂
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and thank you for making me think!
Great post, religion is such a complicated subject. I agree with a lot of your points but it is too much to post here.
I loved your pictures.
I just believe that it is in our human nature to try to find an explanation for the random sh*t that happens in our life. To find an answer to them is comforting. And a little bit of comfort once in a while can be helpful. Finding everything in one book is convenient.
It could be the IChing, the Bible, the Koran, or whatever. I believe that the answers are all there. That is because we read what we want to read and hear what we want to hear. Reading this type of literature helps us read what is really in our heart.
Some people get a little fanatical when they think they have found the answers. They get a little self righteous and feel the need to “spread their wisdom” and judge. This happens on both sides of the fence in religion, politics and anywhere there is an opinion to be had. Evil narcissistic people wander in all crowds. They don’t have a particular side.
Some people find comfort thinking that those that believe the same as them are the “right” people and those that think otherwise are wrong. Diversity of thought has never been well tolerated.
It is much more comforting to cocoon ourselves with like minded people.
That is probably the tactic that most religions used. It may seem a little archaic in this day of endless information. But at a time it probably got people together to form a community to help each other and make living within the community a little more sustainable and tolerable.
I don’t believe anyone has all of the answers. But if you know someone that does, could you please send me their phone number and email?
I got a lot of questions that I would like to be answered.
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Sorry, I never saw this comment until now! I don’t think there is one person in the world that has all the answers. Only God knows all that. Sometimes I do wonder myself if all religions are just a construct invented by the human mind as a way to cope with the bad things that happen and all the things we can’t explain. Many people do believe that. It is strange the way every religion thinks it’s the only right one, but they are all so different.
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Your spiritual journey and reasoning is very similar to mine.
My dad was a fundamentalist hellfire-and-brimstone minister from the time I was six until I was 12. Then his best friend and mentor, an older minister, had an affair with my mother and was the biological father of my younger brother (this is the story according to my dad, my mother denied it all. But I saw her and the other man being much too cozy together, and.. my youngest brother looks like that other guy’s family and nothing like my dad). My father lost his faith then, left the ministry, had a mental breakdown, almost murdered my mother, was arrested and put in a psych hospital where he got involved with the head nurse he later married and divorced. AND, he became a hippie-styled pot-smoking Buddhist.
As for me, I have been born again, baptised, worked for Pat Robertson’s 700 Club TV ministry for several years in the 1980s, which REALLY ruined my faith, so then I was an agnostic/almost atheist, then I became a Unitarian-Universalist (they elected me president of the board of the Eastport, Maine UU church because no one else wanted the responsibility. When we were between ministers, I had to find a fill-in or do the preaching myself. One of my sermons was entitled: Do We Need God to Be Moral? My belief at that time was that we do not need to believe in a God to make us moral, we can be moral just because we don’t want to hurt others and because we want to be able to like the person we see when we look in the mirror.
Of course, in the fundamentalist Holy Roller church I grew up in, my sermon would have been considered pure heresy.
Now, I have am once again a Christian. However…. my belief about the Bible is very much in line with what you wrote here.
I hope that doesn’t mean I’m heading for the center of the earth….
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You have had an interesting spiritual journey. That’s wild about your father, especially the part about him becoming a hippie Buddhist!
I flirted with Buddhism too, and found some things I liked in it, but found some concepts quite foreign too. I still wonder if reincarnation may be possible, just because it seems to make a lot of sense and explains suffering in a way that makes it seem just. I won’t get into that here, but I still wonder. I also believe in the chakra system.
If people like you and me are headed for the center of the earth because we don’t embrace the hellfire and brimstone preaching that is so popular today (especially in the south), then that’s a God I wouldn’t want anything to do with anyway. The old Testament God seems very psychopathic to me, which is one reason I still have problems with much of the Bible. I just can’t stand the Abraham and Isaac story, and the story of Job, while filled with great lessons about faith and suffering, makes me wonder why God was making a deal with the devil and using his faithful servant Job as a pawn. At least that’s the way I interpret it. I still have a lot to learn and a long way to go, of course. I probably need to read the Bible more and get the critical thinking out of it. But much of it I just cannot interpret literally. I think it’s allegorical.
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I believe I have had two near-death experiences. The first time happened when I was 15. I had been injected with a powerful drug of some kind, either given too much or I may have been allergic to it. (I have a lot of allergies to a wide variety of things. I suspect this may be my body’s reaction to PTSD.) After I regained consciousness, as I was walking down the hall, I felt very lightheaded and weak. At first, I could not feel my feet, then I could not feel my legs, then it felt like I floated up and out of the top of my head as my body collapsed on the floor.
Two nurses came running over. I was floating in the air near the ceiling, looking down at my body lying on the floor, and I could see the nurses kneeling on the floor next to me. I was looking at the top of their heads. I heard one nurse say, “I can’t find a pulse,” and the other said, “Her lips are turning blue!” Then I went back into my body suddenly and tried to sit up. Those nurses helped me up off the floor and then they walked me up and down the hall for a long time, holding me upright between them, while I seemed to half-float along. I felt like I was only semi-conscious during that time.
They walked me up and down for what seemed like hours, chatting with each other all the while about their lives, their kids and husbands or whatever, until the drug had left my system enough that I was able to walk on my own. I told them that I needed to go to the bathroom. They helped me there, too, and that was when they saw, from the condition of my underwear, that I had been raped. So after they got me into bed, they called the police and reported the doctor who had done that to me. It was the third time he had drugged and raped me. At first, he had tried to molest me without knocking me out with a drug, and I had pushed his hands away and afterward I told a nurse what he had done. I was not believed. I was later told that many of that psychiatrist’s patients, male as well as female, had accused him of rape over the years, but no one had believed them. This was in the 1960s when that sort of thing was little known and doctors were gods. He was in his 40s, handsome, tall, intelligent, smooth-talking, and he had a facade of fake empathy and compassion like I have never seen in anyone else. But in reality, he had zero empathy. He was evil. I remember him telling me, as I was going under from the drug he had injected into me that last time: “If you ever tell anyone about this, I will stick you in a hole so far you will never see the light of day again.”
That evil shrink was investigated, fired, lost his license, and I was told a couple of years later that he committed suicide. I found his memorial on Find a Grave (dot com) awhile back. There was an old picture of him in an army uniform, and a single, anonymous comment had been left by someone saying she was his daughter and that he had never had time for her when he was alive. I refrained from leaving a comment telling her how lucky she is.
….SORRY, I got way off track with my story. My point is that even though I was very near death, after my soul left my body, I could still see and hear, even without being in a physical body. I did not experience anything else at that time, though – no white light, no angels, no heavenly realm, and no hot place.
However, when I was 39 years old I apparently had another near death experience. This time it was caused by a heart arrhythmia I had suddenly developed. At first, I thought it was just a muscle twitching or spasming in my chest, because I was too young to have heart problems, or so I thought…
Suddenly, I was out of my body. It was similar to what had happened when I was 15, only this time I seemed to be able to see, ahead of me, into the spiritual realm. I was looking into what I believe may have been heaven. I could see a large group of people there, waiting for me, although they were still too far away for me to make out the details of any of their faces. What I felt, as my spirit was standing there in a sort of passageway between this realm and the next, was a tremendous, amazing, wonderful, super-fantastic feeling of pure love, peace, joy, and well-being. I have had moments of ecstatic joy and love in my lifetime, but these feelings of pure goodness and absolute well-being went far deeper than anything I have ever experienced in any other situation. I also seemed to have an inner knowledge that I was returning HOME… I somehow “knew” that I was going back to the heavenly place where I had been, before I came to this earth! It definitely did not feel like I was going to heaven for the first time ever, like I had always imagined it would be – what I felt was a profound, deep inner sense that I was returning to my ultimate home, after a lengthy absence!
I felt super excited and also intensely relieved. I remember thinking, “So THIS is what death is like? Wow! I’ve been so fearful and worried about dying, but if THIS is what death is, then there is nothing for any of us to ever fear!”
Before I stepped into or over the threshold of heaven, I turned around and saw my body lying there. Somehow I knew that my life on earth was not finished. But I also sensed that I had a choice, that I could choose to either go on to that glorious place and be reunited with all those loving people who were eagerly waiting to welcome me, or I could choose to return and finish out my life in this realm.
Because I did not want to hurt my loved ones, I made the choice to return to my body. The moment I made the decision, my soul HIT my lifeless body and made my body JUMP like it does in movies when they zap somebody who’s had a cardiac arrest with those paddles… gosh, what is that machine called? Suddenly I can’t think. I haven’t had any coffee yet today, eek, I must go remedy that right now, I’m starting to get a caffeine headache.
But anyway, for what it’s worth, those were my two near-death experiences. I am not 100% certain that either of these intensely vivid experiences actually were real and not just my dying brain having a super vivid hallucination. There is no way for me to really KNOW that, although at the time, those experiences seemed as real to me as anything. I still have doubts though, for all the reasons that you have doubts. Life is a great big puzzle, you know what I mean? And the human mind, or spirit, is very mysterious. However, all things considered, I believe, much more than I doubt, that our souls will continue to exist after our earthly body is gone. If this is true, and if it will be like my second near-death experience, then we all have something unspeakably glorious to look forward to.
Geez, I should probably make this a post on my own blog…
I meant to mention, my Agnostic cum Pentecostal cum Buddhist dad was in the process of becoming a Catholic when he died, and he was buried in a Catholic cemetery by a priest. He had been diagnosed in the 1960s with Multiple Personality Disorder and my father did seem to be more than one distinct person at times, although even “normal” people can go through a lot of extreme personality and belief changes in a lifetime, so who knows. I suspect though that my dad was doing it to appease his third wife – a woman only 2 years older than me, yuck – who was a Catholic. After they married she had refused to sleep with him anymore because it was a sin. (Apparently it was OK to sleep with him before their marriage, when he was still married to and living with his second wife?) Anyway, to make their marriage “right in the eyes of God,” my dad had to get his first two marriages annulled by a priest, which I did not like because hello, if his 14-year marriage to my mother never happened, then does that make me and my four siblings illegitimate?
Ugh. Whatever. As you pointed out, no earthy religion or human organization has all the answers. Anyway, it was especially weird to me to find out that my dad was in the process of becoming a Catholic because, back when he was an Assembly of God ordained minister, preaching in a small non-denominational but fundamentalist church, my father taught that the Pope was the anti-Christ! When John F. Kennedy, a Catholic, was elected as President of our country and soon after that we had the Cuban Missile Crisis, my dad was all wired up and preaching like crazy that the end was going to come at any second. Oh the nightmares that gave me as a little girl!
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Holy crap, how did you LIVE with that? He definitely sounds like he had dissociative identity disorder to me.
You could write a novel about that. I’m serious. There’s more twists there than in a piece of Rotelli.
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My true-life story is so unbelievable, a big reason why I hesitate to put it all in a book is because I think most people won’t believe it. I could tone it down some, I guess, by leaving parts of it out, but… then it wouldn’t be my true story, ya know? …. anyway, maybe I should stop worrying about whether people believe me, and just write my story anyway. Like one blogger pointed out to me, there are people who don’t believe the astronauts ever really walked on the moon.
The chief trouble (with most religions) is not what is believed, but rather ***how*** it’s believed.
Since most institutions – religious and otherwise – are filled with Normies, then the prevailing manner of approaching knowledge / faith is going to be that of Normdom.
In a word, this approach – which is rooted deeply in the unconscious, and hence is a matter of ***instinct*** is that of MAGIC.
Magic is all about Power. The magician seeks to make existence subject to his whim; he seeks to dominate all life. Therefore, he is strongly invested in both hierarchy and *games* – because that’s how everything worthwhile is accomplished (according to that innate source of revealed wisdom named ‘folk psychology’).
This means most of Normdom is
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I agree with you about the problem with most religions being how it is worshipped. For example almost all Christians believe Jesus died on the cross, was buried and rose on the 3rd day and that he is our savior who will redeem us from our sins. But there are so many denominations at odds with each other, who even HATE each other, all because one church worships differently than another. It’s stupid.
This means most of (religious) Normdom is constantly gaming each other and (trying) to game God – much as if they were located in ancient Egypt.
It also means that anyone who doesnt have a preexisting niche in the dominance hierarchy is NOT welcome in ***all*** Normie-run entities (but especially church).
Autists don’t do (Normie) magic – and therefore, are ritually-polluting social black holes. It really doesn’t help not having a (Normie) unconscious, as that’s ‘the magic kingom’, and that’s where the magic ***comes from***.
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