Why narcissists and borderlines are drawn to each other.

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I’t’s uncanny how often people with NPD and BPD seem to find each other. Every one of my boyfriends (except for one, who was severely bipolar) and my ex-husband were narcissists. I know a lot of other borderlines who say they have the same problem–they simply are not attracted to a man or woman who is not a narcissist. There are reasons why this happens.

Both BPD and NPD are included in the category of Cluster B personality disorders in the DSM-V (along with Histrionic and Antisocial personality disorders). Cluster B disorders are all characterized at their root by problems establishing an identity early in childhood and integrity of the Self which causes people with these disorders to act out toward themselves or others in destructive ways and to have problems either accessing or developing prosocial emotions like empathy. All are prone to lie excessively and manipulate others.

All Cluster B’s are easily offended and quick to anger, which can be expressed either covertly or overtly. Here’s a quick description of these personality disorders.

Antisocial personality disorder (ASPD or psychopathy) is the most likely to break the law and violate the rights of others (many are in prison), act impulsively, and have no empathy at all. People with ASPD who aren’t lawbreakers will be ruthless in business or their chosen profession, and feel no compunctions about hurting others to succeed and may even take pleasure from it.

Narcissistic Personality Disorder (NPD) is less likely to break the law (but this is not a given–some narcissists will break the law if they think they can get away with it) due to wanting to present a good image to others, but have little, if any, empathy, and act out toward others and manipulate them to protect the False Self they use in place of their true one which cannot be accessed. They act arrogant, entitled, paranoid and touchy. Think of the most spoiled or brattiest child you know. If you saw that same behavior in an adult, that’s what NPD looks like to others.

Histrionic personality disorder (usually found in women) is a somatic form of narcissism where there is obsession with physical appearance and emotions are expressed dramatically but the emotions themselves are shallow. Histrionics of both sexes are often sexually promiscuous.

Borderline Personality disorder is the most baffling of the four, because it’s a disorder of contradictions. BPD is characterized by black and white thinking, overpowering emotions, impulsivity, self-destructive behavior, and idealization/devaluation of others. People with this disorder oscillate rapidly between opposites–feeling love and hate for others, pushing others away and smothering them, and accepting or rejecting them. They do this because of their fear of abandonment. Unfortunately, borderlines in their desperate attempts to not be abandoned, cause others to abandon them, or are self sabotaging–they may reject others in order to avoid being rejected first. Borderlines, unlike the other Cluster B disorders, are able to feel empathy, but because they can get so overwhelmed by their fear of rejection and their overpowering emotions and drama, they can “forget” others exist. They can feel remorse and guilt when they realize they’ve behaved badly but it sometimes must be pointed out to them.

Borderlines are chameleons who don’t have a False Self per se, but instead adopt whatever “identity” will suit the moment and whatever person they are interacting with–to make the other person accept them. In some borderlines, this rapid switching from one persona to another can appear to others similar to DID (Dissociative Identity Disorder). Not only their behavior, but also their emotions (which they have trouble regulating or controlling), opinions, or even their appearance can change from one moment to the next. This differs from bipolar disorder, where dramatic mood changes oscillate much more slowly.

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Of all the Cluster B disorders, people with BPD have a Self that is the most fragmented and least likely to have integrated into something called an identity (even a narc has a False Self so that’s a kind of identity). As a result BPD’s are the most prone to experience dissociative or even psychotic episodes, where the person loses touch with reality. Ironically, although Borderlines are “sicker” than narcissists, they are more likely to seek therapy (because their disorder is ego-dystonic and most are not happy with the way they behave and feel) and they are also more likely to be cured.

Because borderlines are chameleons,* they make perfect supply for a narcissist. They lack an identity of their own, so they “become” whatever others expect them to be. It’s not really a mask in the same sense as a narcissist, but they can wear a sort of temporary mask that can change from one moment to the next or disappear completely, leaving the borderline in a depressed or near-psychotic emotional state. A borderline can be whatever the narcissist wants them to be, and as a result are easily manipulated and can become very codependent.

Borderlines can be very manipulative themselves, but because their personality is less integrated and and the narcissist appears to have an integrated self (even though it’s a false one), they are no match for a narcissist. Unless the narcissist is very low on the spectrum (or is a covert and vulnerable one), they cannot be overpowered by a borderline and will always get their way over the borderline’s needs.

Borderlines (like narcissists) never felt loved or valued, but the borderline hasn’t shut out their need to be loved and craves it more than anything else. A narcissist (in the beginning of a relationship) can appear to be highly passionate and attentive, promising the borderline all the love he or she needs–and be convincing enough they capture the heart of a borderline, who thinks they’ve met the perfect mate.

Relationships between narcissists and borderlines may be stormy and “unhealthy,” but when they work, they work well, with the narcissist giving the borderline a kind of identity as a codependent to the narcissist, and the borderline giving the narcissist the supply they need.

I think there’s often a familial aspect too. Cluster B disorders tend to occur in families, in varying configurations. If one or more parents is a narcissist (or a borderline), they are far more likely to raise narcissistic or borderline children, because both disorders are due to abuse and Cluster B parents tend to put their own needs ahead of their children’s, even if (in the borderline) their selfishness isn’t intentional. Therefore, borderlines and narcissists who were raised in abusive families tend to be attracted to people who unconsciously remind them of other members of their families, especially the parents. This type of connection is called a trauma bond because the connection is due to shared trauma and a conscious or unconscious willingness to to be abused or to abuse a partner. A relationship between a borderline and a narcissist is not what anyone would call functional, and yet in a way it can work for both of them, if they don’t wind up killing each other first. Some of these trauma bonds are examples of Stockholm Syndrome, where the abused identifies with their abuser.

Going No Contact with a narcissist is the best gift an abused borderline can give herself (or himself), but separating may be especially hard for them and they are likely to be drawn to another narcissist, so they need to stay on guard and be especially vigilant of red flags.

* I think their ability to be emotional chameleons is the reason why the entertainment, film and television industries seem to have a plethora of actors who have BPD.

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About luckyotter

This blog is my journal. I just choose to share it with the world instead of keeping everything inside my head. I'm a recovering Borderline and have also struggled with Avoidant Personality Disorder. I also have Complex PTSD due to having been the victim of narcissistic abuse for most of my life. I write mostly about narcissism, because I was the child of a narcissistic mother, and then married to a sociopathic malignant narcissist for 20 years. But there's a silver lining too. In some ways they taught me about myself. This blog is about all that. Not all my articles will be about NPD, BPD or other personality disorders or mental conditions. I pretty much write about whatever's on my mind at the moment. So there's something for everyone here. Blogging about stuff is crack for my soul. It's self therapy, and hopefully my insights and observations may help others too.
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27 Responses to Why narcissists and borderlines are drawn to each other.

  1. Constance says:

    The ex before me was diagnosed borderline. In his discard of her he researched the disorder in order to effectively push her buttons/harm her. He bragged about his actions towards her near the end of our relationshit.

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  2. Quixie says:

    Based off your posts I’m starting to wonder if I have BPD. I just *love* to self-diagnose, apparently. Ha.

    I wrote a post stating that a relationship Justin Timberlake (who in his Mirrors video appears to be a narcissist) and Taylor Swift (who in her Blank Space video appears to be borderline) would be a match made in Hell. http://quixoticfaith.com/2015/01/03/justin-timberlakes-mirrors/

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  4. You know, you’re beginning to make me think I might have BPD. It would certainly explain a lot.

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    • luckyotter says:

      I can’t say if you have BPD. If you want to know if you do, you’d have to be tested for it by a psychiatrist. You might have some other disorder, if any. Lots of other disorders can mimic it, even normal people with no disorders can act like they’re disordered at times! I wouldn’t worry too much, just keep reading. Hugs.

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      • Oh, I wasn’t worried about it; I’m really not much of a worrier. It’s just that I’ve always been aware of being different — painfully so, when I was suffering through adolescence and wanted desperately to fit in — but I’ve never known quite what was wrong with me. Now that I’m sixty years old, I no longer suffer from any desire to fit in. I don’t deny that it would be nice to be healthier emotionally and mentally, and if I could afford psychiatric care, it might do me good… or it might not. In any case, since I don’t really expect to live a whole lot longer, and don’t really expect anything to change, I’ve pretty much made peace with my peculiarities. I just thought it would be interesting to know if my condition has a name. 😉

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        • luckyotter says:

          I sure do know what it feels like to always feel different from everyone else. I’ve never fit in anywhere really. I’ve made peace with that though. I realized I’d much rather march to my own weird drummer anyway.

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          • hbsuefred says:

            Wouldn’t we all be happier if we marched to the beat of our own drummer? And who says our beat is weird? These bits of wisdom come from finally recognizing and accepting myself for who I am now (also age 60) and caring less about what other people think. Here’s some other wisdom I’d like to share, in response to your post.

            “Oh, I wasn’t worried about it; I’m really not much of a worrier.” Lucky you! I have always been a worrier, a quality inherited from Mom. Years ago I read that “Worrying about something that may never happen is like paying on interest on a debt you may never owe” or something along those lines. Mom never accepted this but fortunately I have, at least in most circumstances.

            “It’s just that I’ve always been aware of being different — painfully so, when I was suffering through adolescence and wanted desperately to fit in — but I’ve never known quite what was wrong with me.” I think this is true of most adolescents. In fact, I’d be surprised if it wasn’t. I know for sure I’d never want to have to live my life over again because that growing up part is just too painful.

            “Now that I’m sixty years old, I no longer suffer from any desire to fit in.” AMEN!!!

            “I don’t deny that it would be nice to be healthier emotionally and mentally, and if I could afford psychiatric care, it might do me good… or it might not. In any case, since I don’t really expect to live a whole lot longer, and don’t really expect anything to change, I’ve pretty much made peace with my peculiarities. I just thought it would be interesting to know if my condition has a name.” Why do you not expect to live a whole lot longer? I expect to live to 90, which means I have a third of my life ahead of me. I expect a lot of things to change in that time. I have had psychiatric care a couple of times in my life. The first time was counseling in my 20’s, probably because I was starting to figure out what my beat was. I knew it was different than my mom’s and included a six month no contact period with her to achieve some measure of success. The second time was medication which I started in my 50’s and continue. I didn’t go for that till my family really pushed me, mostly because they didn’t like to see me crying all the time and other methods I tried only made me feel more miserable. Psychiatric care may or may not do you any good as it can take a lot of time, effort and frustration to determine what treatment will be of max (or even some) benefit for any one individual. Based on my experience, it can even make you feel worse before you feel better. Perhaps the best any of us can do you is to make peace with our peculiarities as you and I have done.

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            • luckyotter says:

              Thanks for sharing your story. I agree with you psychiatric care can be long, painful and arduous, and I could be dead before it I’m cured. I don’t expect (or even want!) to live to be 90, although I could.
              Did I say I don’t worry? Let me correct you on that. I worry ALL THE FREAKING TIME!
              I had to laugh when you said that worrying is like paying debt on a loan you don’t owe. It’s so true. Here’s another one I heard: Worrying is pointless because it will either never happen and all your worrying is in vain, or if it does happen, you have lived through it twice.
              I think I just got an idea for a new blog post. Thanks!

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            • hbsuefred says:

              Actually, this reply was for bluebird. I’m still learning this blogging thing and have just now seen that you have commented on a lot of my comments. Guess the next thing I’ll have to figure out is how to get notifications of events like this! Today I learned how to add emojis to my comments. See? 🗿

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            • luckyotter says:

              Those are so cool. I have no idea how you make those.

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  5. Michele Eve says:

    Thank you for writing this. It’s clear, understandable and, for me, so many things fell into place. Again, thank you.

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  6. hbsuefred says:

    Thanks for these descriptions. Even though I don’t think a person needs to know their condition has a name in order to be treated or “fixed,” everything I have learned about BPD (from this and other posts of yours) confirms that Sis has it. After (too) many years of relying solely on medication, she has finally restarted counseling. I hope that by this route, and by doing the work which we know is hard for anyone, she may be cured while family members, and others who have lived though these years with her, are still alive to see it. As a matter of fact, I hope that she will still be alive to see it!

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  7. adamjasonp says:

    Missed a bit of the literature here…guess I’m closer to BPD. Not a great fit, though. I’m not desperate. A bit indecisive over how I think others perceive my actions; second, how technically correct I am, after being impulsive (or know-it-all, sometimes). Add an entertainment side to it, since I kind of give up and say, “that was bad,” regardless of intent. Can’t assume to win anyone over.

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  8. nowve666 says:

    These must be old blogs. How else could you have so many comments so quickly. Clever idea. I think I’ll do the same. Great article. I have linked to it from the Cluster B page. But one point. ASPD isn’t the same as psychopathy. Furthermore, Hare said psychopaths are not disordered (although many of them also have ASPD which is a disorder). I’ll bet you are avoiding another narc even though you know they can set you on fire. Me? “I will walk through the fire. ‘Cause where else can I turn. I will walk through the fire and let it burn.” — Buffy the Vampire Slayer

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