The hypocrisy of the “pro-life” stance.

Catholic nun Sister Joan Chittister is making a lot of sense here, and I couldn’t agree more. It’s fine to be pro-life, but if you are, then for God’s sake, care about the children who don’t get to choose whether they are born or not, and all too often are abused because their parents lack the emotional and financial resources to be able to care for them properly.

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41 thoughts on “The hypocrisy of the “pro-life” stance.

  1. Abortion is disgusting to me. It’s as disgusting as many other sins I’m personally guilty of and pray for forgiveness for. That said, a murderous, state run theocracy would be far more horrific. That’s all I have to say about that.

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    • I pretty much agree with all of this, although even as a Catholic, I do make exceptions for certain situations, eg, rape, incest, life in danger, etc. But never after the first trimester and never for “selfish” reasons. In those cases, there’s always adoption if you absolutely can’t raise the child.

      I think if more support systems were available for single, young and poor pregnant women, you would see a dramatic decrease of abortions.

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  2. Making birth control easily accessible to the poor women, even in foreign countries, would take away the entire issue of abortion. Empowering women is the answer.

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      • They do allow “natural birth control”– a step above the old rhythm method. There are books about it and it was popular among hippies in the 1960s and early 70s. Bsaically it means keeping track of things like a woman’s temperature at certain times of the month and the consistency of cervical mucous (I know that’s graphic, lol) so sh knows exactly when she is ovulating, not just guessing.
        It supposed to be quite effective if done correctly.
        It surprised me to find this out in my RCIA classes last fall and winter. Slowly they are changing. Maybe at a snail’s pace but more so than fundamentalist faiths which seem to want to take us all back to the 19th century.

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  3. We have over 7 billion people in the world, and soon it will be 8 they said. 9 billion by the time by grandson is a teenager. It’s ludicrous. Then it will to where we have no resources for anyone. I always thought the Catholic Church opposed birth control so there would be more potential Catholics in poorer countries. This is the antithesis of Christ’s compassion.

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    • I see what you’re saying and the world’s resources are scarce for so many people. Personally I’m for birth control. I don’t think that will change either. I’m on the fence as far as abortion. But abortion is a lesser evil in my mind than forcing a woman to have an unwanted child who will be facing a life of poverty, pain and abuse.

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      • Totally agree with you guys. I think there would be way less ACON blogs around if people back in the day hadn’t become parents when they really didn’t want to, because birth control in the 50s and 60s was sketchy. Way fewer children with abusive parents.

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    • “7 billion people.” I’ve heard that number for years, with zero comprehension of what it really means. Then I read on someone’s blog that if you could say the name of every single person who is now living at the rate of 1 name per second, nonstop, 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, 365 days per year, it would take over 200 years to say the name of each person.

      I did the math and found that it would in fact take nearly 222 years to say the name of every person at the rate of one name per second. That’s using the population figure of 7 billion. In reality, according to http://www.worldometers.info/world-population/, the world’s population at this moment is: 7,358,774,587…. and constantly growing.

      I agree with what has been said here. I am pro-life and, under certain circumstances, also pro-choice.

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      • That’s pretty much where I’m at. My views have not changed since becoming Catholic; the only thing that’s changed is I tend to call myself more pro-life now (and make exceptions) where before I called my self pro-choice (and made exceptions) .
        I’ve never felt comfortable with abortion and never thought it should be an alternative to birth control.

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        • I have never had an abortion and, until I was in my late 30s, I could not imagine how any woman could ever possibly do such a terrible thing. To me, having an abortion was no different than what my mother did, when she tried to gas all 5 of us kids to death when I was 12.

          But when I was around 36 or 37, I had a situation… I won’t go into details… where I suddenly could understand. I was seriously considering getting an abortion, when nature saved me from having to make that very hard decision. In a way, I’m glad I went through that experience, because it gave me an empathy for women in that situation that I did not have before. ❤

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          • Yes, having been though it does give you compassion for women in the same situation. They do deserve compassion. I don’t think anyone is really “pro abortion”–it’s not a fun thing and an incredibly difficult thing to do. Women who have them are usually in a situation where they think they have no other choice. They deserve compassion not judgement.

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  4. I’m pro-life (although not vehemently so) AND I support all those other things you mentioned. I’ve see pro-choice ers use this argument a lot and in my opinion vulnerable people need to be taken care of, period.

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    • I think it’s one of those things that’s a case by case situation. I think it’s always best to at least try to think of alternatives to abortion whenever possible. But sometimes abortion is a viable option and the lesser of a greater evil (an unwanted and unloved child being born into a world that will not provide for them).

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      • I can agree with you there. This reminds me of the last church I attended. They we’re all going to gather in front of an abortion clinic and “witness” for Jesus. I just couldn’t do it. The thought made me sick. Here I was helping pregnant women in childbirth as a doula, knowing how vulnerable and emotional expectant women are, and then the thought about making them feel like shit over a extremely gut-wrenching decision I felt was deplorable. There are actually abortion doulas out there that will hold a woman’s hand during the procedure. I would never be able to stomach that but I always wanted to help women who had just had an abortion because they were obviously just pregnant and still need some help recovering even without a baby to take care of.

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        • When I had my abortion (which I regret having), I had a very cmpassionate nurse interviewing me who held my hand when I started crying. I wanted to see the ultrasound, she said, “are you sure?” I said yes–I wanted to know the baby’s sex. It was a boy. I think I needed to know that for closure.

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  5. Well you know I’m pro choice… And now there is this big attack on planned parenthood. The attack is really on birth control. I’m a feminist, so believe all women should have the right to have total control of there lives and their bodies. I was raised Catholic too, and I converted to a Protestant church.

    I agree with the number about the fact these groups fight to take away a woman’s reproductive rights, and at the same time they do nothing to support the children who are the have nots and are starving and emotionally abuse by both the parents and the system.

    In my opinion, the pro life and pro choice issue is merely a political ploy. It is used as another wedge issue to energize and sway constituents to vote for specific partylines.

    The real argument is taking care of lives and the fact that trickle down economics is bullshit. The upper tear, the 2% holds the nations wealth and the obviously could care less about starving babies, homeless people, people with health issues with both mental and physical issues. And finally, they could care less about the middle class that is bottoming out.

    I really think the nun just made a point. Movement conservatism really sucks!!

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    • I’m beginning to think its not just birth control, but ANY health care services directed to the poor that gets them angry and resentful. 95 % of planned parenthood is disease screening, infection treatments, ect. The right seems to be turning against Medicare as well. All medical care except for the wealthy who can pay privately. That’s thier dystopian promise.

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      • I agree Alex. Yesterday, the President of the National Organization for Women was telling me what to do for my health. She was teaching me about holistic medicine… Starting with eating a gluten free diet to sustain good health.

        I think the upper 2% is predatarian and they are injecting us with anything the pharmaceutical companies can make profits off of. These wedge issues are distractions from the real picture.

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        • I went back and forth with a feminist who is a college professor from Rutgers University of Newark, NJ. I turned her onto all this Narcissistic stuff. She claimed I was basically describing the behavior of men. As you can see men are generally pompus when it comes to pushing forth their cult like beliefs and agendas. Those agendas do primarily revolve around there needs. And there are women that seem to have this idea… That following them is safe. Lol

          ???

          I didn’t agree with the college professor… Because the debate began with Bill Cosby and she felt that his coming forth with zero empathy was Bill just being honest about being a man. She felt that all men had zero empathy, and NPD described all men.

          Well of course I argued, because we all know there are many men out there who are empathic.

          But it did get my wheels turning… About society as a whole. Today I shared an article about a NJ woman who was bludgeoned to death by her husband. He was arrested several times for literally stabbing her with a knife. The NJ court system let him go several times with a mistameanor charge. He alone got a $280 dollar fine…and he’s set free.

          Then we can turn the clock back and look at the case (The Accused…staring Jodie Foster and Kelley McGillis). Remember… Many of the men in that bar raped that woman (men of various classes and backgrounds)…and only 1 college boy ran out of the bar to contact the police. The others either raped her to prove their masculinity… or they ignored it, as if nothing was going on.

          So after listening to the Rutgers college professor I conclude that the majority of men have a certain degree of NPD.

          And I just opened you up to a great article Suzanne. Read the article I sent you. The laws are getting stricker. Why? Because people who fight for women’s rights are tired of Violence Against Women.

          And we will not tolerate those nutty Illimitable cult Men or the sick women that have Stockholm Syndrome because of their Mysogynist crazy making.

          Its time for real change on women’s issues….

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    • I agree. Things need to change in our society before women think twice before having an abortion. If there were more options and help available, I think you’d see a lot fewer abortions being performed.
      I do get the “world is overpopulated enough” thing though. It is. I still think it’s prudent to think of other alternatives but in our society sometimes there just aren’t any.

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      • There are many women who just never want to have a baby, or are not ready to have one. Once again I believe all women have a right to choose what to do with their reproductive system without the guilt trip layed on them.

        Besides that fact, I do agree the focus should be set on helping the women who wish to have their baby but face zero financial support or empathy in their situations.

        The pro lifers are focused on taking away a womans choice, and they could care less about the baby, child or adult in need of a social program to assist them.

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        • Not all women can or want to be mothers and those women shouldnt be forced to reproduce. Like I said, I;m on the fence so I don’t always know how to reconcile my pro-choice views with my pro life ones. It’s a conundrum, thankfully I won’t ever have to make such a choice again so it’s not something I’ve given much thought to lately.

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  6. Only by the Lord’s grace, was i spared from ever having to make that “choice.” As for the “conservative” moooovement, whaddabuncha pharisees…them church players, they make me nauseous.

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    • I agree with your assessment of conservative church players (especially those who run them). They are Pharisees in my book and the hypocrisy they show is staggering.
      I repented for my abortion back in ’99 but still feel bad about it. I know continuing to feel guilty after repenting is a sin (because it’s considered not accepting God’s grace and forgiveness) but I think He understands. I’m a sinner and still a work in progress.

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  7. After following this comment chain, I’m adding my two cents with a possible very simple and simplified solution. Instead of investing beaucoup bucks, angst, etc. into various forms of trying to create or have their own biological children, wouldn’t it be nice if these generally wealthy folks, who want a child so badly just line up to adopt some of these babies who might otherwise have been aborted by their usually poor, young, abused, etc. unprepared or unwanting mommies?

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